From: Konstantin Osipov via Tarantool-patches <tarantool-patches@dev.tarantool.org>
To: Vladislav Shpilevoy <v.shpilevoy@tarantool.org>
Cc: tarantool-patches@dev.tarantool.org
Subject: Re: [Tarantool-patches] [PATCH 1/2] replication: introduce ballot.can_be_leader
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 23:18:19 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210720201819.GA71287@starling> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5cee0ccb-9c87-701c-96e7-2bee12ccc365@tarantool.org>
* Vladislav Shpilevoy <v.shpilevoy@tarantool.org> [21/07/20 23:06]:
> >>>
> >>> Imagine there are nodes A, B, C, D, E.
^^^
> >>> A is a leader, E is a voter which can not become a leader.
> >>>
> >>> Imagine A's log index is 5, B = 4, C = 3, D = 2, E = 5.
> >>>
> >>> The majority's log index is 4, so entry 4 is committed. A dies, B
> >>> is partitioned away. The cluster is stuck, because neither C nor B
> >>> can get a quorum (3 votes).
> >>
> >> But how is it different from the real Raft? In normal Raft I can say
> >> E simply is too slow to make any actions. It is just stuck or died.
> >> The cluster will be stuck then, yes. Not much you can do here.
> >
> > In a real raft:
> > - liveness is guaranteed if quorum is present; this guarantee here
> > is not held
> > - you never sacrifice safety for liveness; you never lose
> > committed entries if quorum is present; and you never lose it
> > unnoticed! here you can lose a committed entry and not notice
> > it.
>
> Please, show me an example. The example above only shows that the
> election might stop if there are issues with the quorum. And this
> will happen regardless of whether I have voter role or not. In normal
> Raft you can kill 3/5 nodes and nothing will work too.
What is not clear with the example above? In it, I kill 2 out of
5, not 3 out of 5. And no, in Raft "nothing will work" is not
correct. The system will not be live, but will be safe.
--
Konstantin Osipov, Moscow, Russia
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-07-20 20:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-15 23:49 [Tarantool-patches] [PATCH 0/2] Bootstrap voter Vladislav Shpilevoy via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-15 23:49 ` [Tarantool-patches] [PATCH 1/2] replication: introduce ballot.can_be_leader Vladislav Shpilevoy via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-16 10:59 ` Serge Petrenko via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-18 17:00 ` Vladislav Shpilevoy via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-19 9:11 ` Sergey Petrenko via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-16 14:29 ` Konstantin Osipov via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-18 17:00 ` Vladislav Shpilevoy via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-19 9:12 ` Konstantin Osipov via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-19 22:06 ` Vladislav Shpilevoy via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-20 8:49 ` Konstantin Osipov via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-20 20:02 ` Vladislav Shpilevoy via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-20 20:18 ` Konstantin Osipov via Tarantool-patches [this message]
2021-07-20 21:16 ` Cyrill Gorcunov via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-20 23:20 ` Konstantin Osipov via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-21 18:51 ` Cyrill Gorcunov via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-21 21:43 ` Vladislav Shpilevoy via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-15 23:49 ` [Tarantool-patches] [PATCH 2/2] election: during bootstrap prefer candidates Vladislav Shpilevoy via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-16 11:30 ` Serge Petrenko via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-18 17:00 ` Vladislav Shpilevoy via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-16 14:27 ` [Tarantool-patches] [PATCH 0/2] Bootstrap voter Konstantin Osipov via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-18 17:00 ` Vladislav Shpilevoy via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-19 9:13 ` Konstantin Osipov via Tarantool-patches
2021-07-19 22:04 ` Vladislav Shpilevoy via Tarantool-patches
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