From: Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>
To: Serge Petrenko <sergepetrenko@tarantool.org>
Cc: tml <tarantool-patches@dev.tarantool.org>,
Vladislav Shpilevoy <v.shpilevoy@tarantool.org>
Subject: Re: [Tarantool-patches] [RFC 3/4] cfg: prepare symbolic evaluation of replication_synchro_quorum
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:14:01 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201120121401.GE875895@grain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b7652b68-a260-a49a-dd85-355269461be5@tarantool.org>
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 02:56:12PM +0300, Serge Petrenko wrote:
>
> I was thinking that we're gonna return something like max(1, min(value, 31))
>
> so that any evaluated number is correct. Lets better discuss this verbally
> then.
Ah, I see. Actually I don't mind to change it this way. Looks reasonable.
>
> > > You should either check every possible value, from 1 to VCLOCK_MAX - 1,
> > > to make sure, say, that no division by zero is involved for some input.
> > That's the good point. Another question if we should allow formulas like
> > n-2, and while n <= 2 assume the quorum to be 1? Ie max(1, eval(n))
>
> Yes, that's what I was speaking about above. So that when the formula may
> be evaluated correctly (i.e. without division by zero or syntax errors) its
> result will automatically be correct.
+1
> I guess we shouldn't be this crazy about what is allowed in this formula and
> what's not.
> If a user has access to box.cfg{}, he may evaluate any expression he wishes
> anyway.
>
> Anyway, this is subject of a verbal discussion.
Yes, better discuss. All this formalism is done in a sake "lets provide users
options to make sync replication guaranteed" and this contradict the requirements
with ability to run arbitrary formula :(
> > Back to the former question -- initially I assume the f gonna be linear
> > and eval in min/max will be enough. But of course this is not correct.
> >
> > You know I can pass all N's here but still this doesn't guarantee anything :(
> > That's why I'm for more strict rules here:
> >
> > - allow some symbolic names such as
> > "all" -> (alias for f(x) = n)
> > "canonical" -> (alias for f(x) = n/2 + 1)
>
> Sounds good to me. AFAIR others were agains it, though.
Yeah, except noone gave a good reason how manually defined formulas
are better than predefined ones. Users usually doesn't care about
config specifics they simply need a guaranteed replication to not
loose their data.
> > > You shouldn't remove replication_synchro_quorum from here.
> > > This table lists the options which are set directly from `box_cfg` in
> > > specific order.
> > No, this table is to _skip_ evaluation on bootup. But we have to verify
> > the default value to evaluate.
>
>
> Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
> Even if the cfg option from this list is 'skipped' in lua, it's
> referenced
> directly from box_cfg_xc(). Othervise the `box_cfg_set_...` will be called
> twice.
> Once from box_cfg_xc(), second time from this lua code.
>
> To be more verbose, all the setters from dynamic_cfg_skip_at_load are called
> on
> bootstrap. But from box_cfg_xc() in C, not from Lua. If you remove an entry
> from dynamic_cfg_skip_at_load, the corresponding setter will be called
> twice.
I'll recheck, thanks Serge!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-11-20 12:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-11-19 19:40 [Tarantool-patches] [RFC 0/4] qsync: evaluate replication_synchro_quorum dynamically Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-19 19:40 ` [Tarantool-patches] [RFC 1/4] cfg: add cfg_isnumber helper Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-20 9:53 ` Serge Petrenko
2020-11-19 19:40 ` [Tarantool-patches] [RFC 2/4] qsync: move synchro quorum update to separate routine Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-20 10:06 ` Serge Petrenko
2020-11-20 11:01 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-20 11:39 ` Serge Petrenko
2020-11-20 11:47 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-19 19:40 ` [Tarantool-patches] [RFC 3/4] cfg: prepare symbolic evaluation of replication_synchro_quorum Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-20 10:32 ` Serge Petrenko
2020-11-20 11:34 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-20 11:56 ` Serge Petrenko
2020-11-20 12:14 ` Cyrill Gorcunov [this message]
2020-11-26 14:38 ` Mons Anderson
2020-11-26 14:44 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-26 16:01 ` Mons Anderson
2020-11-19 19:41 ` [Tarantool-patches] [RFC 4/4] qsync: allow to specify replication_synchro_quorum as a formula Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-20 10:50 ` Serge Petrenko
2020-11-20 12:01 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-20 12:41 ` Serge Petrenko
2020-11-20 15:00 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
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