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From: Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>
To: Serge Petrenko <sergepetrenko@tarantool.org>
Cc: tml <tarantool-patches@dev.tarantool.org>,
	Vladislav Shpilevoy <v.shpilevoy@tarantool.org>
Subject: Re: [Tarantool-patches] [RFC 3/4] cfg: prepare symbolic evaluation of replication_synchro_quorum
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:14:01 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201120121401.GE875895@grain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b7652b68-a260-a49a-dd85-355269461be5@tarantool.org>

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 02:56:12PM +0300, Serge Petrenko wrote:
> 
> I was thinking that we're gonna return something like max(1, min(value, 31))
> 
> so that any evaluated number is correct. Lets better discuss this verbally
> then.

Ah, I see. Actually I don't mind to change it this way. Looks reasonable.

> 
> > > You should either check every possible value, from 1 to VCLOCK_MAX - 1,
> > > to make sure, say, that no division by zero is involved for some input.
> > That's the good point. Another question if we should allow formulas like
> > n-2, and while n <= 2 assume the quorum to be 1? Ie max(1, eval(n))
> 
> Yes, that's what I was  speaking about above. So that when the formula may
> be evaluated correctly (i.e. without division by zero or syntax errors) its
> result will automatically be correct.

+1

> I guess we shouldn't be this crazy about what is allowed in this formula and
> what's not.
> If a user has access to box.cfg{}, he may evaluate any expression he wishes
> anyway.
> 
> Anyway, this is subject of a verbal discussion.

Yes, better discuss. All this formalism is done in a sake "lets provide users
options to make sync replication guaranteed" and this contradict the requirements
with ability to run arbitrary formula :(

> > Back to the former question -- initially I assume the f gonna be linear
> > and eval in min/max will be enough. But of course this is not correct.
> > 
> > You know I can pass all N's here but still this doesn't guarantee anything :(
> > That's why I'm for more strict rules here:
> > 
> >   - allow some symbolic names such as
> >     "all" -> (alias for f(x) = n)
> >     "canonical" -> (alias for f(x) = n/2 + 1)
> 
> Sounds good to me. AFAIR others were agains it, though.

Yeah, except noone gave a good reason how manually defined formulas
are better than predefined ones. Users usually doesn't care about
config specifics they simply need a guaranteed replication to not
loose their data.

> > > You shouldn't remove replication_synchro_quorum from here.
> > > This table  lists the options which are set directly from `box_cfg` in
> > > specific order.
> > No, this table is to _skip_ evaluation on bootup. But we have to verify
> > the default value to evaluate.
> 
> 
> Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
> Even if the cfg option from  this  list is 'skipped' in  lua, it's
> referenced
> directly from box_cfg_xc(). Othervise the `box_cfg_set_...` will be called
> twice.
> Once  from box_cfg_xc(), second time from this lua code.
> 
> To be more verbose, all the setters from dynamic_cfg_skip_at_load are called
> on
> bootstrap. But from box_cfg_xc() in C, not from Lua. If you remove an entry
> from dynamic_cfg_skip_at_load, the corresponding setter will be called
> twice.

I'll recheck, thanks Serge!

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-20 12:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-19 19:40 [Tarantool-patches] [RFC 0/4] qsync: evaluate replication_synchro_quorum dynamically Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-19 19:40 ` [Tarantool-patches] [RFC 1/4] cfg: add cfg_isnumber helper Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-20  9:53   ` Serge Petrenko
2020-11-19 19:40 ` [Tarantool-patches] [RFC 2/4] qsync: move synchro quorum update to separate routine Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-20 10:06   ` Serge Petrenko
2020-11-20 11:01     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-20 11:39       ` Serge Petrenko
2020-11-20 11:47         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-19 19:40 ` [Tarantool-patches] [RFC 3/4] cfg: prepare symbolic evaluation of replication_synchro_quorum Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-20 10:32   ` Serge Petrenko
2020-11-20 11:34     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-20 11:56       ` Serge Petrenko
2020-11-20 12:14         ` Cyrill Gorcunov [this message]
2020-11-26 14:38   ` Mons Anderson
2020-11-26 14:44     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-26 16:01       ` Mons Anderson
2020-11-19 19:41 ` [Tarantool-patches] [RFC 4/4] qsync: allow to specify replication_synchro_quorum as a formula Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-20 10:50   ` Serge Petrenko
2020-11-20 12:01     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2020-11-20 12:41       ` Serge Petrenko
2020-11-20 15:00         ` Cyrill Gorcunov

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