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From: Alexander Turenko <alexander.turenko@tarantool.org>
To: "Илья Конюхов" <runsfor@gmail.com>
Cc: Oleg Babin <babinoleg@mail.ru>,
	tarantool-patches@dev.tarantool.org,
	Vladislav Shpilevoy <v.shpilevoy@tarantool.org>
Subject: Re: [Tarantool-patches] [PATCH 2/2] feedback: collect db engines and index features
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 05:10:05 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200705021005.tobk5dor4gg4dhmq@tkn_work_nb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2C0F8BEA-3419-4794-B17A-7BF7AFFF9E0C@gmail.com>

LGTM.

> > You all know it, but I cannot keep myself from saying again that I'm not
> > fan on the idea of the built-in/enabled-by-default reporting tool.
> > Especially when it is desined in the way that a user don't have a
> > guarantee that its IP address is not collected. It is not in the
> > opensource spirit and is not kindly to our users (to ones who care about
> > privacy).
> > 
> > I understand why the organization need it: it give some view on
> > community -- what is useful and what is not. It may help when we, say,
> > prioritize problems. But this fact does not change anything: garthering
> > IP addresses and some information without expicit agreement does not
> > become a friendly action.
> > 
> > And while we're on the topic, there was the idea from Mons that it would
> > feel more comfortable if we would offer something useful for a user
> > together with the reporting tool: say, provide information about
> > critical / security problems in a running version if it is affected. Or
> > feed news about important updates in functionality that is relevant for
> > a particular application. I would add from myself that this way the
> > reporting tool not even necessarily must be enabled default to be useful
> > for us: there is a motivation to enable it. Win-win. Collect only from
> > ones who explicitly said that is okay with it.
> > 
> > We also can structurize and improve our documentation and see what
> > topics are more popular and what are less. Collect download statistics
> > from repositories, rocks and git clones. Here a user explicitly asked an
> > action with a remote server and (s)he most likely know that the remote
> > server may count it.
>
> You also stated your concerns about the fact that user's IP may be
> tracked and it’s not good practice in open source community. It sounds
> valid to me. But I don’t understand how this patch is related to these
> concerns. It does not add IP tracking feature, nor the first feedback
> daemon version does. This problem should have been arisen when adding
> feedback daemon in the first place. If it happen to be noticed now,
> after feedback daemon have been merged, a possibility of ip tracking
> may be considered as a bug. Personally, I don’t have an idea, how to
> solve it in tarantool. It must be some kind of trusted external
> service which guarantees to hide original IP address, but I don’t know
> such yet. I believe the best way is to start a discussion in GitHub
> issues and gather peoples opinions on this.
> 
> Another question you bringing up is the design of feedback tool. You
> are saying we may want to rethink goals of the feedback tool (you are
> naming it a reporting tool) so a user can benefit from it too. This is
> fine idea but it is also a more broader topic to discuss and goes
> beyond of this patch changes. I don’t see this patch somehow
> interferes with you ideas.

Of course, it is not about your patch. Just grumbling around the
feedback daemon.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-05  2:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-05  8:35 [Tarantool-patches] [PATCH 0/2] Extend feedback module report Ilya Konyukhov
2020-06-05  8:35 ` [Tarantool-patches] [PATCH 1/2] feedback: determine runtime platform info Ilya Konyukhov
2020-06-07 16:45   ` Vladislav Shpilevoy
2020-06-09 23:05     ` Илья Конюхов
2020-06-11 19:32       ` Vladislav Shpilevoy
2020-07-01  0:16       ` Alexander Turenko
2020-07-05  2:14         ` Alexander Turenko
2020-06-05  8:35 ` [Tarantool-patches] [PATCH 2/2] feedback: collect db engines and index features Ilya Konyukhov
2020-06-07 16:45   ` Vladislav Shpilevoy
2020-06-09 23:06     ` Илья Конюхов
2020-06-11 19:32       ` Vladislav Shpilevoy
2020-06-17  8:59         ` Илья Конюхов
2020-06-17 22:53           ` Vladislav Shpilevoy
2020-06-18 15:42             ` Илья Конюхов
2020-06-18 23:02               ` Vladislav Shpilevoy
2020-06-19 14:01                 ` Илья Конюхов
2020-06-19 23:49                   ` Vladislav Shpilevoy
2020-06-22  8:55                     ` Илья Конюхов
2020-07-01  0:15   ` Alexander Turenko
2020-07-03 12:05     ` Илья Конюхов
2020-07-05  2:10       ` Alexander Turenko [this message]
2020-06-23 21:23 ` [Tarantool-patches] [PATCH 0/2] Extend feedback module report Vladislav Shpilevoy
2020-07-13 13:47 ` Kirill Yukhin

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